Chloe's status[]
Hey guys - rather than have a revert war, let's discuss Chloe's status in Season 10 here. Thanks! --Kanamekun 22:51, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
hey, i really don't want a war, but the producers added her in the opening credit, so even if she appears in only 5 episodes, i think she's part of the main cast, so she deserves to be added in a starring role for all the 10 seasons.Erica was not in all the episodes of the season 5, but she is credited as starring because she was in the opening credit, wich i think it's normal. And Brian himself in an interview with Kryptonsite said that for him, even if she's only in several episodes, she' a regular.What do you think?
Crisis On Infinite Earths[]
I do not believe COIE requires it's own section, especially to such a length, on the Series page.
Grahamtracey (talk) 19:46, January 6, 2020 (UTC)
I disagree. It belongs somewhere on the wiki if not there then the crisis page. All of it IS relevant information crafted by three former Smallville writers themselves. Bkshadows (talk) 19:46, January 6, 2020 (UTC)
The Series page barely covers information about entire seasons of the show, and does so in a small paragraph each. I do not believe a 4 minute scene on a different television show merits it's own section and heading. As it stands, nearly every citation reference at the bottom involves the Arrowverse crossover, which if anything, also means that this Series page could use a serious revamp.
Grahamtracey (talk) 20:08, January 6, 2020 (UTC)
While I respect your stands perhaps the series page could use a revamp if your up to the challenge? Feel free to jump in, however i will be keeping the crisis info on the wiki. If not this page then the crisis page. There's been a bit of resistance to adding any crisis information for the simple fact that many dont like the idea of Clark giving up his powers. Not saying this is you per say and while im not a fan of the idea myself the scenes were written by smallville writers and include smallville actors those are just a few of the reasons why theyre going to be included on the wiki. If some fans consider it non-canon, thats there business but the idea to keep it off the wiki because a few ppl dont consider it canon is absurd. Had Welling been wearing the suit in the cameo I doubt anyone would give any such resistance but i disgress. Again this isnt directed at just you, but lets not get into a editwar over the crisis. The scenes were filmed and aired it happened, let each individual decide whether its canon for themselves but dont keep it off the wiki because certain fans deem it fit. Bkshadows (talk)
I think the issue is where you may be putting content regarding COIE. The Series page is a very general overview of the series as a whole, and there is an entire "Arrowverse" category heading on that page, which really does not make much sense. You've also added it to the Crisis page, but that page is specifically about an event called Crisis that happened in Smallville Season 11. The only pages that would have content added to them is Clark Kent and Lois Lane. No one is saying the scene didn't happen, but the event is not finished airing on television yet. We don't know whether it falls into Smallville Prime universe canon yet. We are waiting to have that discussion.
Additionally, the same passage you've added to these pages does not deal with things from a narrative-forward perspective, but does a lot of meta-textual references to the writers and the real-world dealings of production of the scene. This isn't the kind of content that goes on those pages.
Grahamtracey (talk) 04:15, January 9, 2020 (UTC)
- If you look at the Lucifer wiki, Titans wiki and the DC Database wiki, you'll find the same policy of holding off adding COIE material, until the crossover concludes (if anything, this wiki is probably the most welcoming to COIE information, outside of the Arrowverse wiki. The Clark and Lois articles were locked, because people were adding made up names for the daughters and unfounded claims that Clark removed his powers with gold Kryptonite). The reason for this is that we've only seen 3/5 of it. At the moment, we don't know how it ends (and, no, looking the comics doesn't work. This is an adaptation (and "to adapt" means "to change") Supergirl gets killed in the comic book storyline, but that's clearly not going to happen on the TV show), because of that we shouldn't make too many changes (as that could come back to bite us in the end, forcing us to potentially change things back). Looking at both the Earth-167 scene and the Earth-89 scene, there are inconsistencies with both Smallville and the Burtonverse. With Earth-89/Burtonverse (decided to use that one, as an example), they establish that the Joker is alive (when he died in the movie). Was this a mistake (by the people behind the scene) or done for a narrative purpose? Either way, they've just shown us a "gun". The big question is, if they'll "fire" it in the last two parts of the crossover? If not, then they're in violation of Chekhov's gun, and all wikis that touches upon the Burtonverse will have to go with one out of three options. 1) Regard the scene as a retcon (meaning that Nicholson's Joker is still alive). 2) Regard the mentioned Joker as a successor (either scenarios would be mere speculation). 3) Regard Earth-89 as a separate universe, from the Burtonverse. If the Arrowverse writers do "fire the gun"... well, we don't know what will happen then (hence, the need to wait for the crossover to end, before one starts to make a whole lot of changes).KylieMfever (talk) 09:53, January 9, 2020 (UTC)
Again, while I see where you both are coming from, as far as I'm concerned any discussion you have over whether its connected to Smallville prime is on you all. Guggenheim confirmed in the crisis after talk that all of these worlds are intended to be canon. They've already told us this was the official epilogue to the Smallville story and that all of crisis worlds that were featured are intended to be exactly what they are. The producers even went out of their way to get the rights to the music and even actors from all of the original shows and movies. I'm aware of the Joker issue and it seems Guggenheim jokingly acknowledged it as well on Twitter. Stating "how many times has the joker "died"? Free free to round to the nearest hundredth." That shows me he's having some fun with this and you all should too, these worlds were meant to be official continuations to their respective universes. Take his comments for what you will but there is indeed a 4th option its what you call a continuity error, a note stating something like "Earth-89 is meant to be in the continuity of the Burtonverse, however the paper Knox was reading stated the Joker was alive. This is inconsistent with Batman (1989) in which the joker was killed." A small note stating the error and nothing more. At the end of the day all of these stories are make believe and mistakes do happen. However as I'm not on the batman or DC wiki very much I'm unconcerned with that and how they go about it. My only goal is adding the appropriate information to the Smallville wiki. Tom Welling was also confirmed as doing only one scene so I'm not sure why the end of crisis would matter unless he has a small scene at the end which I doubt. His scenes have already aired. Blue kryptonite, gold kryptonite, the fortress, who knows I dont have a clue how he removed his powers, you're correct in that logic, no speculation should be allowed. No issue with why the page was locked as that makes sense.
Guggenheim also went out of his way to confirm that season 11 was canon, regardless of the inconsistencies. The few I've seen can also easily be explained by any fan who wanted to, like Clark having a different and older truck. Maybe he went vintage after giving up his powers? Doesn't mean it has to be a separate universe. We know the real world explanation is that the red truck is the same one used for the Kent house in Supergirl. Looks like the producers just decided to leave it on set for the Smallville scene and thats just one example. Another is that he apparently has a 3 year old when no mention of that was shown in the finale set in 2018. Another user pointed out we dont know what year it is and this is true. When they traveled to Earth 666 it was confirmed its before the TV show Lucifer even started. Its certainly possibly that the crisis scene filmed for Lois and Clark could be years in the future, who knows. My stands is now on adding the factual information. As of now the facts are these scenes were indeed intended to be continuations of their original movies and television. If anything the Smallville one is more canon than the rest because it was written by the very writers that wrote for Smallville. Thats why I took the time to write all of this crisis info to show how things came to be as most fans I've talked to didnt even have a clue it was crafted from Smallville writers. Of course the pages that should feat crisis info should be Clark, Lois, the Kent farm, and also a paragraph on how things came to be, now if the issue is where that info can go, it can be either on the crisis page or main tv series page. Or even on the writers pages which I'm also planning to do, just haven't had the time. Yes, the info includes meta-textual references but that appears to be more of nitpick on your part. A paragraph explaining Clark's small role in some behind the scenes information, does harm to no one, nor does it mess with the format of the page. Each fan can decide whether they want it to be canon and the information we have now reflects that perfectly. Its just a small paragraph on the page with a little info of what happened. Maybe too a small paragraph on Lex's page. Stating something like during crisis on infinite earths, Lex was mentioned as still being president of the U.S. but nothing big. This notion that the whole wiki will need to be redone over crisis is an over statement. There only needs to be a few maybe 4 pages with crisis info and as of now we have that. Bkshadows (talk