Rapid Cell Regeneration versus Immortality[]
In the Powers section, there's been some debate over whether or not Curtis Knox's power is Immortality, or if it's Rapid Cell Regeneration.
curtis know is immortal he was shot six time by lex in the chest and he recover in 5 or 7 sec. and he pull out the bulltes
There was a similar debate on the Heroeswiki, since several of the characters are immortal as a result of their regenerative abilities (Adam Monroe and possibly Claire the Cheerleader).
My sense is that the actual power itself is rapid cell regeneration, and that a consequence of their power is Immortality. It's just like with Clark Kent himself: he has the power of rapid cell regeneration, but he isn't necessarily immortal (he's almost died many times).
If someone actually had the power of Immortality, then they would literally be in a state of "of being exempt from death or destruction, of living for ever". I could see a God being Immortal, but I could definitely see someone with rapid cell regeneration being capable of being killed (e.g. Clark Kent).
So in conclusion (haha!), I'd prefer Curtis Knox's power to be Rapid Cell Regeneration rather than Immortality. Any thoughts or objections? --Kanamekun 03:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I put Knox's power as immortality only because Lex said that he is "immortal". But, I don't object to Curtis Knox's power being rapid cell regeneration. --Stressed dessert 04:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I tried to work the immortality more into the body of the article. Is that enough hopefully? We've seen hints that Clark Kent is immortal (like when Jordan Cross touched him), but that's not listed as one of his powers... --Kanamekun 15:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's fine as it is. I think it should be noted that immortals can be killed. Vampires are immortal, but they can be killed. Mythological beings, such as the Gorgons of Greek mythology (Medusa and her sisters), are immortal, but they can be killed. What I'm saying is that Curtis Knox is immortal, but he can be killed. --Stressed dessert 23:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I guess I am being literal about immortality. If you can be killed, you're not truly immortal. If we're going to embrace a more limited definition of immortality, then I'll go ahead and add immortality info to the various Kryptonians (since Clark Kent is destined to be immortal, according to Jordan Cross - showing that the Kryptonian healing factor results in immortality under a yellow sun). --Kanamekun 23:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it's necessary to add immortality to Kryptonians because it's kind of implied. It isn't that big of a deal, though. --Stressed dessert 03:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm just looking for consistency... I don't mind either way, but since they both have immortality gleaned from rapid cell regeneration, I'd like Clark Kent and Curtis Knox's entries to be consistent one way or another. --Kanamekun 04:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe we can add that to the healing factor section?--Stressed dessert 15:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- His "rapid cell regeneration" is a by product of his immortality, he had to pull the bullets out of his chest rather than his body expelling the bullets. Wolverine form Marvel can heal rapidly but he is not immortal. Its possible that Curtis Knox is the Smallville version of Vandal Savage. Please lets keep Heroes universe theories in the Heroes. Ranveer2 14:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- I focused on rapid cell regeneration, because we saw him get shot by Lex and be knocked down... then get up and be ok. But you're right that we don't know for sure how Dr. Knox's power works. I will add a Powers and Abilities section, and we can cover the controversy of immortality versus rapid healing there.
- Could I ask that participate in the discussion threads, rather than unilaterally reverting a page multiple times? The hope is that we can reach a compromise that we're all happy with. I think our discussions are going to result in a better page, which is always a good thing! --Kanamekun 15:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- His "rapid cell regeneration" is a by product of his immortality, he had to pull the bullets out of his chest rather than his body expelling the bullets. Wolverine form Marvel can heal rapidly but he is not immortal. Its possible that Curtis Knox is the Smallville version of Vandal Savage. Please lets keep Heroes universe theories in the Heroes. Ranveer2 14:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe we can add that to the healing factor section?--Stressed dessert 15:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm just looking for consistency... I don't mind either way, but since they both have immortality gleaned from rapid cell regeneration, I'd like Clark Kent and Curtis Knox's entries to be consistent one way or another. --Kanamekun 04:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it's necessary to add immortality to Kryptonians because it's kind of implied. It isn't that big of a deal, though. --Stressed dessert 03:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
- I guess I am being literal about immortality. If you can be killed, you're not truly immortal. If we're going to embrace a more limited definition of immortality, then I'll go ahead and add immortality info to the various Kryptonians (since Clark Kent is destined to be immortal, according to Jordan Cross - showing that the Kryptonian healing factor results in immortality under a yellow sun). --Kanamekun 23:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's fine as it is. I think it should be noted that immortals can be killed. Vampires are immortal, but they can be killed. Mythological beings, such as the Gorgons of Greek mythology (Medusa and her sisters), are immortal, but they can be killed. What I'm saying is that Curtis Knox is immortal, but he can be killed. --Stressed dessert 23:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I tried to work the immortality more into the body of the article. Is that enough hopefully? We've seen hints that Clark Kent is immortal (like when Jordan Cross touched him), but that's not listed as one of his powers... --Kanamekun 15:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- KRYPTONIANS ARE NOT IMMORTAL!!! Superman ages like everyone else and will eventually die of old age. AND he can be killed be metero rocks along with things like mutants, magic, blacks holes, lack of oxygen (although he can hold his breath for a LONG time), etc.
- -G 134.117.158.83 19:03, 12 February 2008
- Hmm, Jordan Cross seems to disagree with you. "You don't have an end like other people. It's like you live forever." --Noclevername 01:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Vandal Savage similarities[]
I read somewhere that Vandal had also consorted with the Nazis, and had some other interesting similarities to Dr. Knox. It'd be great to expand the "In the Comics" section to include a list of the similarities, along with any differences that come up. --Kanamekun 16:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I remember the Justice League cartoons with Vandal Savage. Interestingly enough, Savage was voiced by Phil Morris (Martian Manhunter). In the three-part episode "The Savage Time", Vandal Savage manages to alter history and cause Nazi Germany to win World War II. I don't remember the exact details, but Savage was definitely connected to the Nazis. --Stressed dessert 21:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Featured Article Feb 08[]
Dr. Curtis Knox is an evil doctor who created a medical procedure which he claimed to "cure" meteor-infected metahumans with brain surgery, removing their powers and the resulting psychosis, and allowing them to live normal lives as productive citizens.
In 2007, Lex Luthor teamed up with Dr. Knox to cure many residents of Lex's Level 33.1 project. He used the procedure to cure Sasha Woodman. However, they soon discovered that a side-effect of the procedure was several years of memory loss, but most individuals were willing to forego years of memories for a chance to be cured. Lex soon realized that a select group of patients were missing and confronted Dr. Knox, for which he had no explanation. When Lex discovered that the missing patients were murdered, he tried to apprehend Dr. Knox and shot him point-blank five times, shocked to realize that Dr. Knox was immortal and had been alive for at least thousands of years. It was later revealed that Dr. Knox was killing and harvesting organs from select patients in order to make his beloved wife Sophia immortal as well.
Chloe Sullivan learned of Dr. Knox's procedure and made the decision to have it done to rid herself of her empathic healing power. Against the protest of Clark Kent, she met with Dr. Knox, who informed her that she had an elevated meteor-rock concentration in her heart. Instead of curing her, he attempted to kill her and harvest her heart. Clark and Lex worked together to locate her and Clark was able to save Chloe from Dr. Knox. In the ensuing fight, Sophia's life-support machinery was destroyed and she died in her husband's arms. International law enforcement agent Martian Manhunter apprehended Dr. Knox to be punished for his crimes.
There is fan speculation that Dr. Knox is Smallville's version of the infamous DC immortal Vandal Savage, as the two characters share similar backgrounds, immortality, and appearance.
Dr. Knox was played by Dean Cain, best known for his own turn as Clark Kent/Superman in the 1990s television show Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. His battle with Clark Kent served as another passing of the torch moment, similar to Christopher Reeve's portrayal of Virgil Swann.
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