Regarding Darkseid in relation to Apokolips, actually, Kara, in Prophecy, confirmed that he is Apokoliptian, which naturally, would make him from Apokolips... For example, hypothetically, it would be like saying that Kryptonians aren't from planet Krypton... Darkseid, although it was s-p-e-l-le-d out for us, is from Apokolips. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:46 PM, May 10th 2011

I remember Kara saying that the symbols were Apokoliptian... did she also say that Darkseid was Apokoliptian? I don't remember that, but could easily be wrong! --Kanamekun 18:01, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Clark Moving Apokolips

Given that Apokolips was drawn to Earth by the Omega Symbols, I somehow doubt that Clark's actually strong enough to move planets in the Smallville continuity; it's possible that the loss of the Omega symbols resulted in Apokolips losing its 'grip' on its position in space and thus allowed Clark to move it back while it was 'weak'.MarcusSLazarus 17:57, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, that kind of level of super strength is a stretch even among the most powerful versions of Superman. In All-Star Supeman comic book he was able to lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand after he's strength tripled. In Smallville Clark needed both his hands to catch the Daily Planet globe... - BatteryB7 18:54, June 17, 2011 (UTC)L
Yeah, I do agree with that, him being able to lift full-sized planets does indeed seem like a stretch for even Clark to accomplish, though in "Booster", Lois did note that he can burn a hole through full-sized buildings with a glance, and can lift a freight train with one finger, which does make it seem as if his strength potential capacity has increased. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:05 PM, June 17th 2011
I don't think he was using super strength to move the planet though... he was flying for the first time? (Unlike when he caught the globe, when he was super leaping.) Flying without wings is basically a form of telekinesis, so that could help explain why he was able to move such a massive body. --Kanamekun 21:09, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
I can't quite wrap my head around that. How can one move a planet in mid-air without using super strenght? Does it work like in post-Crisis continuity where any objects that Superman touches are enveloped by his invisible telekinetic field and this allows him to move them with the force of his will? Or is he moving it by simply pushing it, using his mass to do so? Protected by his invulnerability? Forgive me if I misunderstood something. :) - BatteryB7 22:20, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
Okay here, I'll be blunt, the way I see it, Clark more than likely was using his super strength to move the planet in that instance... And him embracing his destiny was a huge deal, so when he finally did, at least personally, I like to think that his strength increased and maybe his speed too, though the problem here is that we honestly don't know. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:55 PM, June 17th 2011
Hey BatteryB7 - I'm not referring to tactile telekinesis... there's a theory that when Superman flies, it's a form of telekinesis:
"Superman's ability to fly under his own power was explained with the pseudo-scientific concept of "self telekinesis", an invisible telekinetic field that allows him to lift himself off the ground. Any objects that Superman touches are also enveloped by the field and this allows him to move them with the force of his will."
Basically, if flight is a form of telekinesis... that would explain why Clark was able to move a huge planet far beyond what his normal super strength would allow. Just a theory, in any case! --Kanamekun 02:02, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Well keep in mind that, Superman in the comics, currently, can smash entire planets with his might, extinguish stars with his breath, level cities with his heat vision, see anything from any position with his vision, hear any sound from anywhere, so with that said, I think that you may be underestimating his abilities and their extent... he is Superman you know :) Come to think of it, he could probably, in the comics (not in Smallville, though), push a planet back in to space with a finger. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:13 PM, June 17th 2011
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